Doubles Tournament Expansion

[WinDEU]

I'll have to try it out on pad before making any assumptions about the rating, can't really say for now.

Also, as far as the 6-hit in Disconnected Disco is concerned: You can always quickly move your hands to the ups since the holds end exactly when the taps hit. Bend Your Mind's 6-hit has the holds going for an 8th note longer after the taps, so I'm surprised you're not bringing that up instead, heh.

[Kyzentun]

That hold is simple to do. (there's a few ways you can position yourself for it some easier than others).
You can: knee + knee, 2x feet, 2x hands, etc.

~40% of the time I do it with my knees, the muscles in my hips suddenly hurt in a bad way.
The 6 holds in BYM have a longer set up time, and you put one leg down at a time. The other reason I didn't say to throw out BYM is that the rest of the chart is fine, throwing charts out over 1 step would lead to 80% of ITG 1/2 being thrown out.

[Spooty Biscuit]

throwing charts out over 1 step would lead to 80% of ITG 1/2 being thrown out.

Except 80% of ITG1/2 has more than 1 step's worth of reasons to be thrown out.

Hence the fact that 80% or so of ITG1/2 is probably being thrown out.

[Kytsune]

I actually enjoy more doubles charts on DDR than ITG1/ITG2 doubles charts.

Yeah, I said it.

[Vospi]

DDR always had an enjoyable touch on their files, I thought that was a common sense.
I'd better save my words about some of ITG original charts.

[TEEX]

Yeah, I wouldn't argue that either.

[Kyzentun]

Cryosleep: Fun, easy 10 with very light step density until the last half. The beginning is uniquely challenging with its tricky jumps across the pad. I'll say yes to this.
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Determinator: This chart has 'awkward' written all over it, with the way the bursts are broken up, to the hand section in the middle. No.

I'm a bit confused about this. You're praising Cryosleep for being uniquely awkward throughout until the end (complete with slowdowns that come with no indication), then you're voting against Determinator for being awkward?
Cryosleep also has steps in the slowdowns that go to nothing, which you dinged Don't Promise Me ~Happiness Mix~ for.

Basically, I'm saying Cryosleep is crap because it's a whack-a-mole style chart. The first half would not be noticably changed by putting it on Shuffle.

[Spooty Biscuit]

I for one agree with Nick's evaluation on these two charts. Determinator is awkward both positionally and rhythmically. There's a long section of nonsense quads and hands, and the 24th bursts from the singles chart are present, but broken up into chunks that make no sense whatsoever. Also:

(complete with slowdowns that come with no indication)

Seriously? Just learn the song, the slowdown goes perfectly with the music and is easy to remember if you know how the song goes. We went for a decade without slowdowns ever being cued by mines or whatever. I don't understand why uncued tempo changes are such a crime against humanity nowadays.

Cryosleep also has steps in the slowdowns that go to nothing

Off the top of my head, I believe the steps are following the percussion.

Basically, I'm saying Cryosleep is crap because it's a whack-a-mole style chart. The first half would not be noticably changed by putting it on Shuffle.

Not really. Cryosleep's cross-pad jump gimmick is pretty consistent in its structure, and honestly is not that hard when you just keep in mind that you're going to have to make these quick movements.

[Kyzentun]

Determinator is awkward positionally
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Basically, I'm saying Cryosleep is crap because it's a whack-a-mole style chart. The first half would not be noticably changed by putting it on Shuffle.

Not really. Cryosleep's cross-pad jump gimmick is pretty consistent in its structure, and honestly is not that hard when you just keep in mind that you're going to have to make these quick movements.

The exact same argument that you use to defend the whack-a-mole section of Cryosleep should apply to the hand section of Determinator. It has a simple, spaced out structure, and it's not hard when you just learn that you need to go down at m17 and not get up until the 8th stream starts.

Is the way that Determinator starts a lot of 16th bursts in the first half with a hold that puts you in a crossed over position considered awkward? If it is considered irritatingly awkward, then why does Cryosleep get a free pass?

[Captain Black]

OH SHIT WHOS THIS GUY

sup my names rich for everyone that only posts here, and I live/play in pittsburgh. I play a lot of doubles.

So I agree that both determinator and cryosleep are awkward. But determinator is awkward in at least two ways that cryosleep isn't: hands (and not easily fakable hands - like 40-50% of them have up+down arrows), and broken fast patterns. It's like whoever wrote the chart was like "well 24ths are hard, but if we take out ONE of them, right before the last one, it'll be much easier." So I'd cut it based on that alone. And I didn't even know it had awkward crossovers in 16ths, but that certainly doesn't help its case.

Cryosleep I'm on the fence about. On one hand it's REALLY sparse in the beginning, making the chart incredibly unbalanced. I've blued it to 40% several times without even tripling it. On the other hand, the patterns in the beginning are awkward, sure, but unlike determinator I think they're awkward in a way that merits consideration and deserves to be tested. And the ending has some good 16th patterns that are decently hard but not overwhelmingly so. I would probably include it, but barely.

[TEEX]

Ok guys, here's the pack of files that were considered "maybe" for the expansion pack.

[Reveal] Spoiler: Songlist

8-Bit Trip
30 Minutes Harder
Anubis
Baby Baby
Baby Seal
Beautiful Morning
Black Ice
Bunz of Steel
Clockwork Genesis
Clouds From The East
coloris
CoNTRoLLED DoLL
Cryosleep
Dance, Dance
Destiny
Disconnected -hyper-
Disconnected -mobius-
Dr. Doolittle
Drifting Away
Driving Force Classical
Eden
Elektromatic
End of Line
Epileptic Crisis
Etude for a Dragon
Figure of Speech
Fly With Me
Funk Factory
Gargoyle
Get Down
Grave of Being
Happiness Comes
High
Higher than a Skyscraper
Hip Hop Jam
Holy Guacamole
Home Alone
Hustle Beach
Indulgence
inner universe
Japanize Dream
Judgement Day
July (O-Cho 8bit Remix)
Jump
Kagami
King's Theme
Know Your Enemy
Land of the Rising Sun
Let My Love Go Blind
Lucky -Remix-
max love
Mekkanika
Metallik Heart
Mongolian Grill
Monstrous Turtles!
My Favourite Game
My Life Is So Crazy
Night Time Story
Nights In Heaven - Days In Hell
oedo hop
One False Move
Out Of The Dark
Over the Rave
Palindrome
ReaF
Remember December
Renaissance
Renewal
Ride the Bass
Robotix
Rock Steady
rockhill
Royal Flush
Sail AwaY
seE new the world, she knew the world
Shooting Star
Solina
Soul Meets Body
Space Off
Space Space Shooter
Summer
Sunshine
Sweat Shop
Sweet World
Tears in May
The Game
This is Rock & Roll
Torn
Twilight
Utopia
Visible Noise
Vorsprung Durch Techno
Voyage 1969
Water Lily
Wicked Plastik
Wish Remix
Xuxa
Y1
You Are My Dream
Z Reboot
Zodiac

<<DOWNLOAD>>

Mind you these packs were compiled a few weeks ago, and upon further discussion are still subject to modification, especially with the release of UFOS drawing nearer.

[Spooty Biscuit]

Alright, with both UFOS and the TLOES Chapter 1 Expansion having been released since the last active bit of discussion on this topic, I figured this is a good time to bring this back into light with two new major doubles releases being out there. I'll go over what I think are viable selections from these packs shortly, but I'm a bit biased having worked on both of them, so I'd appreciate if other people could weigh in as well.

[Captain Black]

Goodbye

(and no I'm not just saying ~ByE~)

[sudzi781]

bump

I went through my pack and the TLOES expansion for tournament pack candidates and figured I'd make some suggestions.

Sudziosis 3:
BabeL ~Next Story~
Festivo
Lock-On To Your Heart
Martyr (maybe)
Nothing But a Pile of Dance Moves
Speed Highway (also maybe)
The Sampling Paradise (again maybe, also if this gets in I'll remove the mine letters)

TLOES:
Arcadian
Electronized
For You
Gentleman
Gravity Blast
Lament Configuration
Mirage Garden (maybe)
Negative Nature
Presentiment
Smooooch
Tanglang
The Vampire Saga

[Spooty Biscuit]

Bump time. Although this thread has been inactive, a number of us (TEEX, WinDEU, ZELLLOOO, Sudzi, Telperion, Janus5k, and myself) have been continuing to discuss this in the meantime. Since this pack is going to be used for the University of Illinois tournament coming up in October, we want to have this pack finalized by the time Fall term starts up again in late August.

Crosspost from DDRIllini:


Going to be consolidating and finalizing the list of potential songs for us to use today, including replacing any officials with the resyncs (the current version in the pack seem to be R1 files, as evidenced by the broken Baby Don't You Want Me DM chart and the error in VerTex^2 DX) and adding the additional yes's from Sudziosis 3, TLOES, UFOS, Gensokyo Daydream, and individual files into one comprehensive archive. Will most likely set the thing to upload overnight.

IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE SONGS YOU WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST, DO SO NOW.

While we're not going to close off the door to more additions entirely, I would vastly prefer not to add any more songs once the updated pack is uploaded. We need to get to definitively removing songs instead of adding more to an already too large tournament pack, and I'd like to give those who haven't been as directly involved in discussion a definitive list of songs that we are considering to give them an idea of what to expect, and so that they can perhaps help offer suggestions on what to remove.


As it stands, this is the current list of songs that have been recommended with a "yes" vote (any songs with a "maybe" are not included):

[Reveal] Spoiler: Songlist

ITG1 (28)
Anubis
Bend Your Mind
Da Roots (Folk Mix)
Dawn
Disconnected -Hyper-
Do U Love Me
Drifting Away
Euphoria
Fly Away
Flying High
Hardcore of the North
Hybrid
I Think I Like That Sound
Infection
July
Kagami
Lemmings on the Run
Mythology
No1 Nation
Oasis
On a Day Like Today
Pandemonium
Touch Me
Turn It On
VerTex
Walking on Fire
While Tha Rekkid Spinz
Zodiac

ITG2 (26)
Agent Blatant
Baby Don't You Want Me
Bloodrush
Clockwork Genesis
Cryosleep
D-Code
Disconnected Disco
Energizer
Fleadh Uncut
Habanera 1
Hardcore Symphony
Hillbilly Hardcore
Know Your Enemy
Monolith
Psalm Pilot
Reactor
Soapy Bubble
Spin Chicken
Summer ~Speedy Mix~
Temple of Boom
Tribal Style
Typical Tropical
VerTex^2
Wake Up
Wanna Do ~Hardhouse Mix~
We Know What To Do

ITG3 (8)
Aliens In Our Midst
Disconnected Zeo
Esperanza
Frozen Fire
Land of Imagination
Temple of Love
The Last Kiss
World of Dreams

ITG Rebirth (44)
Asian Crosscounter
Aurora
Banana Bay
Charly (Halloween Dub)
Chromatic Blitz
Cloud Nine and a Half
Dead Souls
Disconnected (Sanxion7 Remix)
Dr. Doolittle
Enchanted Journey
EternuS
Galaxy9
Gargoyle (Original Mix)
Journey
King's Theme (Pixel Remix)
Last Man Standing
Legacy
Les Vacances de Compositeur
Little Red Riding Hood
Machines Will Fall (Dreamerz)
Me and My Lover
Ode to Dragon
One Thousand Cranes
Over The Rave
Popcorn
Progression
Rock Steady
Safety Net
Shooting Star
Space Space Shooter
Space War III
Stars Above
Stop the Music
Strikebeam
Sugar Sweet
Supremacy
Synth Synth Synth
TechLo
The Man Crossing the Channel
Vifta med Handerna
We Met Dat Night
Wish
Wish (Remix)
You Wanna Me

ITG Rebirth 2 (12)
A Yodeler in Texas
Crowdpleaser (Drop the Mic Mix)
Destination ~Rapture~
Disconnected Exodus
Dynamo
Elder God Shrine
La Samba de la Vida
Night Flight to Tokyo
Superfantastico
The Man With The Tuxedo
Toy Soldiers
tsugihagi Construction

R21Twins (4)
Amen Iraq (Hard)
Storm Raid Battle
Thunder Cepter
WaterCube Pf. (RX-Ver.S.P.L.) (Hard)

R21Freak Bringin' it Back (6)
BLN
Brainstorm
Bringin' it Back
Chocolate Disco
Japanese Ninja No. 1!
Slik

R21 Pack of Excellent New Interesting Simfiles (9)
240
Captain Murasa's Ass Anchor (buribu-remix)
Colossus
Dawgs In Da House
J Bong
Mascarada
Nitronic
Right Back Up
Samba Metropolitania -Toy Box Remix- (Stage 3-B)

The League of Extraordinary Stepmen -Chapter 1- (11)
Arcadian (Castillian II)
Electronized
For You
Gentleman
Gravity Blast
Lament Configuration
Negative Nature
Presentiment (Stage 4-B)
Smooooch (DJ Command Remix)
Tanglang
The Vampire Saga

Undefined Fantastic Original Simfiles (8)
Energy Daybreak
eX.Ash -ExTend Jazz mix-
In The Bottom of the Valley of Fallen Ash
Last Imouto
Phantoms In Da House
Spark303-8
Throw Your Cards Down (Nhato Remix)
Tsurupettan (sun3 Remix)

Brother Mojo (6)
A-KLIMATIZE
Celt-A-Skelter
EVO66
Exotica
Luna Booma
Science Reliance

Gensokyo Daydream (23)
Adore Your Pain
Ancient Groove
Collapse Day
Cross Grudge
Dance With Liquor
Deconstruction Star
Decoration Battle
Dust to Dust
Evil Railway
For Lovers Not Fighters (Tsukasa Remix)
Four-Dimensional Warp Device
Give Back
Invisible Pearl Filled With Insanity
IT IS SO
Magic Girl !!
Oriental Dark Flight
Savior of the Sky
Scarlet Eyes
The Mystery in Your Town
Underwater Regret
Unemotional Skyscraper
Unidentified Flying Dance Fantasy
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Ike Pie (8)
Allegretto
Do It All Night
Roppongi Carillon
Sexual Healing (Speedy Mix)
Shooting Star
Sounds of Life
Tutti Frutti Summer Love
Valenti

King of Light Simfile Pack (5)
Dawn (Perpetual Mix)
Fly Away to India
Injection of Love
True Love
Under the Sky

Sudziosis 3 (4)
BabeL ~Next Story~
Festivo
Lock-On To Your Heart
Nothing But a Pile of Dance Moves

Telperion's Double Take (3)
Pernicious Deed
The Zoo Zone
Toukarenjou

(Other individual files) (11)
A Castle Under Siege (Spooty Biscuit)
Bounce Bounce Bounce (Telperion)
Cheeseburger (Revolver)
Daishibyo Set 14 (Joe#2)
Disconnected Hardkore (ZELLLOOO)
Ergosphere (TEEX)
Monkey Fingers (Zetorux)
Programmed Universe (Telperion)
Tougen (Telperion)
Twinkle Wonderland (Telperion)
Valley of the Mind (ZELLLOOO)

Total Recommended Files: 216

Thank you to everyone who contributed suggestions! If you have any additional recommendations, please let me know ASAP! Feedback regarding potential removals would also be vastly appreciated; 216 files is waaaaay larger than I want.