about R21

[lokira]

i know for a simfile to be r21 compatible the ogg must be under 5 mo size. But in case of long songs, i have to sacrifice the quality of the audio for it to be compatible, agreeing ?

My question is : do you think it is better to make a r21 simfile with a "bad" (not bad at all but, for audacity users, the cursor for the OGG quality on like 2 or 3) sound quality or keep the quality of the song but it will not be r21 playable ?

[rikame]

Keep the audio quality the way it is, don't lower it. If somebody wants it r21 compatible they should lower it themselves. Don't penalize those playing without the restriction by giving everybody bad audio.

[Psychotik]

This is why it's good to cut songs to around 2 minutes.

[T-Dog!]

I know that this post is going to make mute and mudkyp rage, but since r21 is kind of a bitch to deal with sometimes, to reduce the chance of loading errors, i compress my oggs all the way down to 48kbps (the lowest setting possible for ogg, I believe). Doing this, I can get a good 35 or so songs to load almost without issue.

The audio quality might sound a bit shitty on a high end 5 channel system, but for the purpose of dance games, it seems sufficient enough.

Another thing to consider is that to achieve transparency with ogg, usually a vbr bit rate of 150 to 170 should do the trick, which can keep a 4 to 4:30 song at just around 5mb.

[lokira]

i've got actually an example. i want to step Sa'eed by Infected Mushroom, and the song is 7 minutes long. I've done an ogg for the song, 4.97 MB. Download it here : http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?a9a2y8frqhfqzay and listen it ; does it very feel like it has a bad sound quality ?

Keep the audio quality the way it is, don't lower it. If somebody wants it r21 compatible they should lower it themselves. Don't penalize those playing without the restriction by giving everybody bad audio.

I know that this post is going to make mute and mudkyp rage, but since r21 is kind of a bitch to deal with sometimes, to reduce the chance of loading errors, i compress my oggs all the way down to 48kbps (the lowest setting possible for ogg, I believe). Doing this, I can get a good 35 or so songs to load almost without issue.

The audio quality might sound a bit shitty on a high end 5 channel system, but for the purpose of dance games, it seems sufficient enough.

I prefer the sound to be as good as possible, peronnally, 'cause i've got a good ear but it seems like it is better to do both.

[mudkyp]

Keep the audio quality the way it is, don't lower it. If somebody wants it r21 compatible they should lower it themselves. Don't penalize those playing without the restriction by giving everybody bad audio.

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[SM MaxX]

Pretty much what rikame said.

You shouldn't lower the audio quality just to save time for other people. It's like patching songs before you release them; yeah I guess that saves time for people, but it makes people who want to review them pretty annoying. Same with this; a lot of people hack the songs onto the machine and would rather listen to high end audio than shit audio.

[T-Dog!]

7 minutes at 5mb sounds like you are around 112 to 128 kbps. It's decent enough. I do agree with everyone that if you are going to hack the cab, use the highest quality possible, but I thought this was about r21'ing the song.

[mute]

I know that this post is going to make mute and mudkyp rage, but since r21 is kind of a bitch to deal with sometimes, to reduce the chance of loading errors, i compress my oggs all the way down to 48kbps

That doesn't make me rage, that makes me laugh. Makes no difference to me since you're not handling the audio files of any charts I'm playing. Personally, I never had trouble getting 30+ songs to load at ogg q5+.

[8ftmetalhead]

Many people don't have the ears to even hear the difference. For years we've been listening to meh audio thanks to mp3's and whatever the hell else sort of formats. Plus cabinet speakers are relatively limited in their sound reproduction, and the amp itself is (I believe) mono. So what the hell does it matter?
Sure you could try using a master .wav recording or something for your tracks but it just wouldn't make sense.

Even then if someone's got a 8000 dollar speaker system unless they specifically listen to jesus quality sound then compare it to every other speaker system around they won't really be able to hear the difference.

[T-Dog!]

I know that this post is going to make mute and mudkyp rage, but since r21 is kind of a bitch to deal with sometimes, to reduce the chance of loading errors, i compress my oggs all the way down to 48kbps

That doesn't make me rage, that makes me laugh. Makes no difference to me since you're not handling the audio files of any charts I'm playing. Personally, I never had trouble getting 30+ songs to load at ogg q5+.

Then our hardware/my usb is shit then.

Also, if I actually released my own simfiles, I would use q.5 as well.

[Slayer³]

Why not have 2 versions?
1 R21 compatible with the poor quality.
1 for people to put directly on the machine.

[Dark Luke]

Should 44.1kHz audios be converted to 48kHz before releasing the packs?

[Telperion]

Should 44.1kHz audios be converted to 48kHz before releasing the packs?

There's no reason to do this because it doesn't add anything to the music quality (and raises the pitch by about 1.5 half-steps, so it tends to sound kind of bad haha). It's roughly like taking a 160kbps mp3 and saving it as a 192kbps mp3.

[8ftmetalhead]

plus you can't go up once you've gone down. That's kind of like asking can you convert 720p into 1080p, or make a metre of string into two metres. I mean, it's possible, but you'll just be taking the same content and spreading it out into either boxy video or really shitty quality string.