What's the highest difficulty rating you have passed?

[F4LL3N]

what about bang?
are the 12ths really that hard?

[vincerz]

Delirium would be your best bet. If you find 163 w/e bpm streams tiring, bang is actually quite easy too (less lame than go 60 go and the cross overs arent that bad) just learn to cheat the hands.

[F4LL3N]

i can pass infection with no problem, the 170 16ths don't bother me at all.
but tension is a bitch, i can't go much higher than 175.

[vincerz]

I would call infections 16th notes bursts rather than streams. Living in a day where simfiles are full of long ass streams, I thought the delirium stream would be like 45 seconds long which is why I refrained from trying it for a long time, but when I finally tried it, it was shorter than expected and I wasn't even tired.

[Kyzentun]

I sometimes wonder if I could do Delirium, but I don't really feel like trying it. I can sometimes survive the first 16th stream in Live Forever, so I sorta think Delirium would be possible, but I'm not sure. Any thoughts?

[SteveReen]

Yeah, Delirium's stream used to be considered "long" but then people started passing shit like Uber Rave haha. Also yeah I forgot about !. That isn't too bad either.

[F4LL3N]

what about the cross-overs?
i cant do those worth shit.

[Insane Steve]

Delirium's stream is a lot more complex than anything in Live Forever. There's a bunch of candles and after the drills the stream actually gets kind of tiring. If you can't do crossovers it's probably going to be easier than ! or Go 60 Go.

Maybe VerTex will be easiest for you if you can do slower stuff but find faster charts (Tension) to be difficult.

That said, the "easy" drill parts of the stream are the reason I can't * the chart

[B1uEM4oM4o]

Good at crossovers !

Not, Delirium. Easy.

Saying you passed a 12, Go 60 Go, is gay.

[SteveReen]

Delirium's stream is a lot more complex than anything in Live Forever.

Live Forever actually has one section with a ton of candles everywhere near the end. This part throws a lot of people off because they aren't ready for it.

[zimlord]

I recall being really tired after passing Live Forever, more so than after passing, say, Uber Rave. The candles near the end are brutal.

[Blazing]

Yeah, Live Forever is grooving hard to sing to while playing.
On the other hand, I can sing all of Delirium while playing and still score in the 90s.
This proves that Live Forever's streams are harder.

[SteveReen]

I can sing all of Heroes of Our Time and still get a 98.
This proves that I'm a beast.

But yeah, Live Forever is a bit more tiring than it looks.

[F4LL3N]

Bad news: I can't try a 12 soon
our machine died again

[vincerz]

Bad news: I can't try a 12 soon
our machine died again

That sucks. If you have nothing to do, you could actually try to learn cross overs with stepmania. I did it before - play index finger style and do every cross over, then put the song on auto play and shadow the songs doing the cross overs. It's a little sad but it helps so that once youre playing on your machine you don't have to risk failing due to a huge screw up cross-over.